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Agenda

Feel free to add topics here to discuss during the next IRC meeting.

(1) Close Partnership Program

The failing "partnership board" and pages should be closed. We should keep the existing partnerships we have but disallow any new partnerships (unless negotiated by admins under special circumstances). --Seahorseruler (Talk Page) (Contribs) 06:24, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

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  • No offense, but why would we do that? I know it's "failing", but right now it's the only possible chance we have at getting new users. So IMO, I think we should work on GETTING more partners, rather than cancelling the whole project just because nobody's working on it... Cp kid Wanna Talk? 01:34, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

(2) Appearances section for characters

I was thinking of maybe having an appearances section for characters. What it would be is a list that lists all their appearances in the newspaper, appearances in books (on/offline), video games, the parties they visited, the PSA/EPF missions, all that stuff. Sharkbate said I should post it on the council and see if others were willing to help out. --Chill57181 Talk to me Master of the pencil Come to my party! 16:34, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

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  • I'd help out if you want (I think i'd probably be most helpful with newspapers) Cp kid Wanna Talk? 01:34, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

(3) Blog Post Pages

Blog Posts from the What's New Blog had lots of information and such on Club Penguin history, and was a big part. I feel that we should make a page for the month with all the blog posts on there. I could gladly run the project. -- Brookelas Mastered the EL EM ENTS! 00:16, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

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  • I suggested we use the Information namespace for that a while ago. Forgot what the result was but nothing had been done so far. --LordMaster96 05:38, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Might as well add a section on the main page with the what's new blog RSS feed. --Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 01:21, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
    • I think what Brook means is that we archive every blog post on a wiki page, so that when CP clears it's archives we still keep the blog posts. --Am Snowstormer! :D Proud to be Estonian! Snowstormer You know it! 16:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

(4) Articles on popular Club Penguin culture

I think that maybe we should have articles on Club Penguin culture (perhaps a separate namespace) that isn't necessarily created by CP. i.e. Pookies, igloo parties, Field Fridays, Moose Mondays, that kind of stuff. --Chill57181 Talk to me Master of the pencil Come to my party! 23:38, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

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  • That's what fandom tried to do. That failed badly, and as a result it is punished on the tropicalwikis dumping ground. Try to revive it first then this might be considered. Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 01:20, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
  • I think it's a good idea. People might come here looking for those subjects. If they want it, we got it... Or at least we should. -- TheBroMaster Talk to me! 16:19, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Put them under subsections (i.e. Field Fridays on the Polo Field page). And no pookies please. --LordMaster96 20:18, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
  • I had a similar idea but somewhat different. Boidohtalkedits 22:48, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
  • I agree with this idea :3 Mario Rk (T · C · B) 05:21, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

(5) Close Portals

Portals have failed miserably. I say we close them, categories are easier to use, and nobody that comes here is really looking for a featured image or article about the portal subject, or an activity about the portal. They come here to know specifically what they wanna know. Also, portals are too time consuming and too hard to keep maintained. -- TheBroMaster Talk to me! 16:17, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Comments

  • There was a vote on this at the end of last year to close it, but despite the fact the community wants to keep it, nothing has been done and it is getting outdated, so yea I would support removing it. --LordMaster96 20:17, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

(6) Talking Point

My idea is quite similar to one posted above but different. In these blog posts it would be about the blog posters opinion on the current status of CP ect. For example, there would be a "talking point" on Old CP or something. Boidohtalkedits 22:55, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Comments

  • Anyone can do this, anytime, in my opinion. I don't see how this needs council approval. There's a "Blog:" namespace but hardly anyone uses it to their leisure. Just keep it so that "overblogging" doesn't become an issue again. --LordMaster96 00:14, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

(7) Differentiate between the key staff members and moderators

I'm sure I'm not the only one who's heard from some CP staff members that they weren't moderators, yet we seem to think they are. I think we should just change articles to say that they are staff since moderators are just regular employees by the dozens. Not saying they aren't mods, but my personal opinion is that "staff" is a better term. Remember, there isn't just one position in any company you work for. --LordMaster96 00:55, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

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  • Yeah, I agree. We should make sure all CP staff pages have the CP Staff Infobox on them, and that it specifies their "position"(s) at CP. As such, billybob, polo field, etc. should be considered "bloggers" rather than "moderators" in addition to whatever other jobs they might hold such as head of the tech team or something :P). Cp kid Wanna Talk? 01:18, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

(8) Stop moving pages to weird names just because they're called that in a few files

So, recently, Wboys moved the Everyday Phoning Facility to Agent Lobby Solo, because it's called that in the .swf and a few of the .json files. But, most of the official blog post, other rooms, and loading screens call it the Everyday Phoning Facility, so why shouldn't we? I mean, it's good to have the .json and .swf files for the items and things, but if something is called one thing in most places, and another in a few files, we should call it the first name, and maybe mention the filename on the page? --Am Snowstormer! :D Proud to be Estonian! Snowstormer You know it! 18:08, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

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  • I completely agree. Just because it's that name in the files doesn't mean the article has to be some weird name that makes no grammatical sense whatsoever. I mean, if CP was real life you wouldn't be saying "Hey, let's go to the Dojo Water", am I right? --Chill57181 Talk to me Master of the pencil Come to my party! 18:10, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
  • I understand some of them like changing VR Room ro Agent VR. However, I agree on some of the nonsense ones like Water Dojo/Dojo Water. Also, Wboys isn't the only one doing this; Mario wanted to switch the names too :P Cp kid Wanna Talk? 20:48, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
    • Ehh, not really. It's like EPF Command Room being changed to Agent Command (which seems reasonable to me, especially since there's already a command room and HQ) Cp kid Wanna Talk? 13:28, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
  • If it's a minor change (like adding "The" in front of the room), I don't think it needs to be moved. Things like Dojo Courtyard becoming Dojo Exterior are things I would consider moving. Dojo Water? No. --$harkbate Talk Page 03:42, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

(9) Only make disambiguation pages for topics with 3 or more items

Basically, I've been looking at the disambiguation pages lately. With that, i've seen 30+ disambiguation pages that only have 2 items in it (such as 1 Coin Bag stamp, Blue Toque, Brown Puffle House, Dance Floor, etc.). Rather than making disambiguation pages for those, I think it would be much easier to just link the plain article to the first released item (for example, Blue Toque would be redirected to the 2006 version). In addition, each article with only 1 other topic would have the "Were you looking for the _____?". Sorry if it sounds confusing.

I plan on doing this with all of the current disambiguation pages like this, however I put this topic here to somewhat officialize it as a "rule". Cp kid Wanna Talk? 03:34, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

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(10) Discuss ways to get new users

No offense, but even though our page view count is high, I have a bad feeling the wiki is dying. It seems like there are only 10 or so truly active users on the wiki, which makes it hard for pages to stay updated and also hard for any progress to be made. With that, I think we honestly need to weigh out our options and decide what we need to try to get new users. Cp kid Wanna Talk? 04:07, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

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(11) Create "Available" categories

I have noticed somewhat of a problem with our clothes and furniture articles. There are a bunch that were never updated when they were removed for a catalog. For example, one clothing page I saw a few weeks ago said it was still available in the series 6 treasure book or something. The only way to fix those is to find them individually and fix them. However, to prevent it from happening in the future, I had an idea. If we create "Available Clothes" and "Available Furniture" categories and add/remove them from pages when they are updated, it might help to keep us on track (for example: If somebody looks on the "Category:Available Clothes" page, they might see an item and be like "Oh, that was removed from the catalog when it updated yesterday!" and fix the article). I'd be willing to do as much of the beginning work as possible (adding the first round of categories onto pages). Cp kid Wanna Talk? 04:07, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

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(12) New favicon vote

Last time the favicon vote failed because all the images were too big. A few users have told me that they'd like to try to make a favicon too, and I made three new possible favicons. What I want to know is would YOU guys like a favicon vote? I'm hoping we can vote on this at the council.

  • This is my first one, the penguin is orange and wears a red W t-shirt (my design)
    This is my first one, the penguin is orange and wears a red W t-shirt (my design)
  • This is my second one, the penguin is now aqua suggested by Cp kid
    This is my second one, the penguin is now aqua suggested by Cp kid
  • This is my third one, the penguin is now red and wears a blue W t-shirt for contrast
    This is my third one, the penguin is now red and wears a blue W t-shirt for contrast

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(13) Revisiting one of my old ideas

This got rejected at the last meeting, but I want to bring it up again. I'd like to do some stuff that would place us in a better position overall:

  • We need a universal CPWN "feel and look". I want something akin to Brickimedia's Deep Sea skin. I honestly think this would help us get more hesitant visitors to join.
  • We need to consider a scale-down of functionality network-wide to make the atmosphere more noob-friendly. I'm not talking about a total scale down of everything, but rather a reduction of complexity. I'm sure old users will not like this, and I accept that. I still think it would help us long-term.
  • Again, I want some backend changes happen. This would make a better base extension collection, and allow for minimal per-wiki configuration.

This time, I want things voted separately. I of course accept comments on this. More may be added as well. --Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 03:20, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Comments

  • I'm not a tech wiz, so bear with me and be tolerant if I'm saying something that is (unknowingly) irrelevant. For the universal "feel and look" that one gray skin is only used on the brickimedia "hub", not the individual wikis. Can I ask what you mean by scaling down "functionality"? And last, backend changes? If that's where we remove some of the extensions that are only on one wiki, I don't think we should do that because (if i'm right) all of the extensions that were suggested for removal were in good use on their respective wiki; and IMO I don't think we should remove extensions (even if they're only on one wiki) if they're being put to good use. Cp kid Wanna Talk? 04:55, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
    • First, go look at the other wikis. Secondly, I wanted to make a "common" extension base that fits most wikis well. As for the "only on one wiki extensions", I'd like to at best consolidate these. Some extensions may go, though, but that would be based on "good use" as you said earlier. As for backend changes, you'll barely notice them. --Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 20:24, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Thumbs up from me. --LordMaster96 06:20, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

(14) Re-open Partnership program

I know this directly contradicts with topic 1 which sea says "close the program", however the program has technically already been closed... I mean we haven't been able to submit new partners since like December, and that's basically all that Sea was saying in topic 1. So, I made this topic to suggest that we officially re-open the partnership program. It is a way to get more users and visitors, plus it doesn't hurt us whatsoever, so why NOT have it? Cp kid Wanna Talk? 19:42, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

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(15) Plan 2013 Awards

We need to decide if this should happen or not. If we decide to give this a go, we have a lot of work to do! We have to decide on the number of awards being handed out, the designs (if we're not using last year's designs) and set the dates of the awards. Due to school and me being in my final year of high school next year and the amount of pressure for me to do well coming in the new school year, I have decided that I will not host the event this year, should it happen (I have no problems assisting with it though). --LordMaster96 02:12, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

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  • I personally think it should happen, but at this rate we aren't gonna have enough users to even do it. Also, I wouldn't mind hosting it but I have no idea what the host does (I'm assuming they set up the voting system, but I have no idea how to do the Google docs and I definitely don't know how to do a preferential ballot). Cp kid Wanna Talk? 02:59, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
  • I can help since I decided to come back (trying to edit soon). I can help in organizing things for it, but would wait until the Wikia Awards finish first XP. --Wolfgangs (Talk) 07:22, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

(16) Recognition Program

The Penguin of the Month itself doesn't seem to be working, so what I'm thinking is that we could maybe integrate it into a larger recognition program. Hopefully this will get more users involved as there will be more than just the Penguin of the Month. Some ideas I have on the top of my head are best uploader (image contributions to articles) and most helpful award (helping new users get used to the site). We could come up with more on the spot.

All awards in the recognition program will be monthly. POTM will be community decided like always but I am not too sure if all awards should be voted by the community. Maybe for certain awards, admins should choose the winner. Another idea I have is that we have a wall with users and 'recognition points' by the awards they earn. What do you guys think? --LordMaster96 01:35, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

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  • Hmm. PotM is one of the oldest programs we have. Just because our usercount is declining doesn't mean we should cancel it. IMO, I think we should keep the PotM and maybe have quad or bi-annual awards given out by the admins (like you suggested, for best uploader, etc.). We should also work more on getting new users... Cp kid Wanna Talk? 05:01, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
    • I said nowhere that I would merge POTM into something else. POTM will just be part of a series of monthly awards. --LordMaster96 18:53, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

(17) Twinkle

Penstubal left me a message on my talk page regarding Twinkle and I thought it would be something worth discussing. Please take a look at that and share your opinions. --LordMaster96 18:53, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

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  • I was a twinkle user myself on Wikipedia. It was basically a rollback script for non-rollbacks with some extra features like automatic talk page warnings and rollback reasons. I stopped using it after I was promoted to rollback. It could be installed here, but I don't see why we would want to. It would enable any user to rollback edits. It is also designed for Wikipedia, which has a 5 level warning system (A user must be warned 5 times for vandalism before they are blocked). We don't use this system nor do we have the appropriate templates for it. In order to make it compatible, it would require a lot of modifications which aren't that simple. I'll look further into this and see if we can work something out, but this doesn't seem like a good idea right now. --Seahorseruler (Talk Page) (Contribs) 23:42, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

(18) CSS updates

I've been working on the CSS a little bit as of late and I've kept most things but changed the tabs, removed the BG and modified the sidebar. I would also change those sidebar labels but won't do so at this time.

--LordMaster96 18:31, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

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  • The current background is good (imo), it just needs to get the updated CP logo. Cp kid Wanna Talk? 00:48, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

(19) Fanon PT to Join Network?

Since Tux is giving/selling/whatever TropicalWikis to a different wikifarm, talk about wikis has started to erupt (because tux won't have access to add/remove/edit wikis anymore from TropicalWikis). Staff was thinking of moving Un-CP back to the network just because of it's historical value (even if it stays closed), Fandom was supposedly going to stay on TW (closed), and so was CPW FR (CPW-ES doesn't was just removed from the network, not moved to TW). However, there is also a wiki called the Club Penguin Wiki Fanon PT on TropicalWikis. Obviously, it is a CP Fanon Wiki for people who mainly speak portuguese. The staff was thinking of having votes to possibly move it into the network (I guess on CPW, PT and Fanon, then ask Fanon PT if they want to be admitted to the network), but I figured I'd make a topic on the council so the staff knows our (CPW Users') opinions on the matter.

The link to the PT Fanon wiki is --> this

Cp kid Wanna Talk? 00:48, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

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  • I am totally in favor of the PT Fanon wiki being moved to the network, and votes taking place soon to do so. I think they'll make another addition for the CPW-PT community, and also english fanon users that are multilingual (and can speak portuguese) might be able to help build the PT fanon wiki. Cp kid Wanna Talk? 00:48, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Also, it's already somewhat connected to us for the following reason(s):
  • It already links to our PT and Fanon on it's main page.
  • It was founded on CPW-PT's 1st anniversary :3 (I'm pretty sure it was founded by Penblooe too). Just a fun tidbit :P

Cp kid Wanna Talk? 07:05, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

  • YES. It's about time Fanon gets their own little brother. -- TheBroMaster Talk to me! 02:55, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Yeah! Its active 'nuff for us! Mario Rk (T · C · B) 05:20, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Of course! Plus, if someone says, "oh it's too inactive", it's about as active as Shops and Fanon are, so why not? --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 18:28, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
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