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This page is an archive of a previous meeting, not the current meeting!
All topics have already been discussed.

(1) Removing CP Ideas

I'm believing to think the CP Ideas part of the community should be removed completely. For a number of reasons: (1) It keeps people from joining the CPFW, and (2) No one edits there anymore. We have other parts of the community to enjoy, like the blog, Logo Submissions Contest, and more. --User:Feey1!! 22:31, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Comments

  • Agreed. We have a forum for that now. --AdministratorNetwork staffError504 22:42, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
    • The next issue is to either:
      • migrate the section over to the forum (possible, but may incur a CC-BY-SA violation)
      • transwiki to Fanon (very easy, but incurs human work)
      • let it drop off the face of the earth, but keep an XML dump around
    • Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 22:44, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
  • It's not very active. I say get rid of it. --$harkbate Talk Page 23:16, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Agreed with everyone above! --File:Estonia.gif Cylly1512 Talk Contributions 16:54, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
  • It brought us a ton of new users back when we were on Wikia. It was originally an independent wiki but we merged it into the CPW a few years ago. It gave newer users something to do. We should start editing it ourselves to encourage newer users to edit it, and to show them that it even exists. --Seahorseruler (Talk Page) (Contribs) 21:48, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I agree with Seahorse! -- Brookelas Mastered the EL EM ENTS! 01:00, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
  • How about we make a Club Penguin Ideas Wiki? A7XRev I call the Iron Man suit! Not even Loki can ruin the party! 01:55, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Agreeing with A7XRev. I think we should seperate CP Ideas from this wiki, and then move it to TW. --Welcome00 Talk 01:58, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
  • No, we should make another wiki on the network just for it. This network is getting too small as it is. --Broseph16 Talk! 02:29, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Agreed with Seahorse. --Happyface(talk|blog|contribs) 16:30, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
  • I say we either make it a new wiki, or completely destroy it (while archiving of course). I think we do need new wikis on this network, I'm getting bored on just the CPW. Also, I'd be happy to help out on the possible new wiki. --User:Feey1!! 03:46, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Do nothing. Keep it as it is, or archive it all without hindrance. --TS
  • If it's not used often and if there's already something else related, get rid of it. Or archive it. NickelbackFan37 "Don't, ever, dress, up, as, The Cheat, again! Parsley, sage, rosemary, and thyme!" 01:08, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
  • TropicalWiki. Nuff said.--John (talk|blog|contribs) 17:46, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

(2) Wiki Translations

Just something I thought of. We could have a project page for anyone to add their translation project in to. If there's an active community from somewhere across the world, editing this wiki, they could open up a project here. It's like the Wikimedia Incubator. We could have it in the same style as this, but inactive translations would be deleted. Just check some of the pages in that project. They make a page like "Club Penguin/es" and translate it into Spanish and add a template on top of that page. A neat construction. We could create a wiki for that language, when they are done with the project. --File:Estonia.gif Cylly1512 Talk Contributions 16:51, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Comments

  • That's just like Fanon. I'd prefer we have a separate wiki for each language. CPWN first, and if inactive, onto TW. --AdministratorNetwork staffError504 17:38, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Agreed with Error, we already have separate wikis for different languages - there's no point in adding more pages to this wiki when it's the English one. --Tigernose Talk • Contribs 17:07, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

(3) Defining Archives

Right now, Archives is mostly inactive with only a few uploads a day, and we have no clearly defined policy and admins/bureaucrats. I'd like to have Archives discussed at the meeting, and about these possiblities:

  • Devoting more resources towards Archives
  • Merging it with the CPW or the pool (see next item)
  • Refining it completely

Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 22:57, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Comments

  • I think we should just keep it and have our users put more attention into it. It's only being uploaded with current content right now and I believe that it can be better if we upload more things from the past. The site is also "owned by the CPW", so unless it becomes independent of the CPW or be a sovereign of it we probably won't have new admins running that site. --AdministratorNetwork staffError504 06:30, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
  • I agree that we should do something with Archives.

(4) Image pool

This was never clear at the last meeting, and the staff meeting totally failed (only Error504 was there), so I will rediscuss it here.

Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 22:57, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Comments

  • Didn't know about the Staff meeting. But we should discuss it nonetheless.--John (talk|blog|contribs) 17:46, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Yeah it kind of helps to leave a message on our talk pages rather than setting up a meeting that nobody knows about... --Tigernose Talk • Contribs 17:13, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

(5) Inter-wiki messages

This feature is used on Wikia and I want that feature to be here, as it will benefit some of us (mostly for those who always edits on 2 or more wikis). Here, lemme explain how it works. For example, User A is on the CPW. User B messaged User A on the Fanon. The new message alert appears at the wiki he is on (other than Fanon). It is simple, but I have no idea how to do it. But well, that's all I had to bring here. --Welcome00 Talk 08:09, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Comments

Message alerts aren't wiki-wide? I don't think this needs voting on - it's pretty clear this is necessary. I'll try and ask Tux if he is able to add this? --Tigernose Talk • Contribs 17:00, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

I was wondering about this as well. Thanks for bringing it up. --Happyface(talk|blog|contribs) 01:06, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

(6) Monaco as default skin

For those who don't know, while we are on Wikia, we used the Monaco skin as default. It is easier to use, convienient and sophisticated. So I think there will be a lot of advantages if we set Monaco as default. For example, when you want to move or rename a page, you need to click a button that has an arrow to reveal more, in which I found a bit annoying. But, with Monaco, the button don't exists, and all options are there! I think it would be great to put Monaco as default. Well, cya on the meeting! --Welcome00 Talk 07:37, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Comments

  • I was actually thinking about this earlier today. Personally, although the Monaco skin looks nice, the Vector skin seems a lot more professional and easier on the eye as it is less outdated. On the other hand, we could get away with reintroducing Monaco if we redo the skin. That is, remake the banner so it looks nicer (I made it when I had little to no GIMP skills) and to physically change the header bars and sidebars so they look up to date. These aren't the only problems though, Monaco is very buggy and we had a lot of problems trying to make it compatible with this wiki. Monaco was made especially for Wikia, so it carries a lot of weight with it such as extensions that are difficult to remove. This is worth discussing. Even if we won't make it default skin (because of the bugs), it's worth making it a prominent and useable option for users. --Tigernose Talk • Contribs 17:04, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
  • This was suggested in another council a while ago, it passed but never happened. In my opinion, it looks more inviitng, but I don't know if changing to it now would be a good idea. It may be hard for us to get used to it, some parts of the wiki have to be adapted and there are a few glitches. While Vector makes us look more professional, Monaco makes us look more inviting. --PenBlooeR 17:10, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes, I'd love to see Monaco be our default skin again should we not be able to create a custom skin for Vector. As site design and how appealing our wiki is can get us traffic and users, I think finding a new skin, whether it's our old Monaco or a newly customized Vector should be one of our top priorities. But however, we should only use Monaco as our default if we can get rid of the remaining irritating problems. I also agree with Tigernose on the banner remake idea. --AdministratorNetwork staffError504 06:18, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
  • I really like Monaco and would be pleased to see it back. However, I request that the CPFW retain its normal skin. -TS
  • I used to like Monaco but personally I prefer Vector as default. I use MonoBook however, but Vector would be best due to it being the default for Wikipedia and therefore more understandable.--John (talk|blog|contribs) 17:46, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
  • I am using Monaco now and here are reviews: It's so modern. It's so organized. You don't have to do the "Answer to Edit" thingy! Yuri102212 Talk Edits 05:35, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

(7) Forum Guidelines

The current draft is pending admin review and tweaks. After all admins approve of it it will go through the council pending final discussion by our users (that's what the original 'policy council' was for). --AdministratorNetwork staffError504 06:40, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Comments

(8) Repeal Anti-Discrimination Edict [CPFW Only]

The following proposition exclusively concerns the governance of the Fanon Wiki and does not effect anything else. The CPFW does not have a place to conduct its own sovereign affairs because of a certain Wikia/Sannse attack, so here we go...

Subject: [1]
Proposal: Abolition

Discrimination is overrated. We don't need a policy to go against what we all know not to do. None of us are going to use the "N-word" (which was never a curse to my ancestors), and I don't think the slant of one's eyes or the length of their hair is going to burden the site or cause enough strife to encode policies against it.

I believe that statutorily encoding types of discrimination puts those with potentially unpopular ideas- like Swiss Ninja and I on Islam or myself alone on homosexuality and cursing -under a mighty axe defined only by an administration's imagination. For example, the fictional Constitution of the United States of Antarctica has contained a DOMA for years, and some liberal recently tried rolling it back because it was "discriminatory".

It is also being used to coerce private affairs, like CP igloo parties, into including people the host may deem unworthy or simply unlikable. For example, I don't like ZK as a man; I only like his work. If I was to exclude him, I'd be charged with discrimination.

The policy has an excellent ability to specifically target fringe believers with narrow and strong views. Sound familiar? If it does, then you know PRECISELY why the CPFW suddenly has to fight "racism". (-and by the way, homophobia is a fallacy.)

Crying discrimination also incites flame wars and distracts from editing. The first way to break the barriers of discrimination is to remove them from legal recognition. If no one can pigeonhole themselves into a group, they can't balkanize the site into warring majority/minority factions. Repealing this bad policy and simply returning to outlawing racial slurs and overt uncleanliness in that department would be monumentally beneficial to everyone.
--{{subst:Template:TSSIGNATURE/PERMA-TS}} {{subst:template:TSSIGNATURE}} 01:00, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


Comments

  • Ok. So I could call someone a **************** without fear of reprisal?--John (talk|blog|contribs) 17:46, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
    • I think you had a lapse of intelligence there. I specifically said that racial slurs and curses would obviously be considered under the "holiness clause" and the synonymous "G mandate". Repealing this would simply rid the CPFW of a needless policy that could be used as a possible weapon if someone- ahem, me -has a problem with a group that someone in power thinks should be given special rights and protections. You know what that is. --{{subst:Template:TSSIGNATURE/PERMA-TS}} {{subst:template:TSSIGNATURE}} 22:28, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

(9) Reinstate Don't Ask, Don't Tell [CPFW Only]

The following proposition exclusively concerns the governance of the Fanon Wiki and does not effect anything else. The CPFW does not have a place to conduct its own sovereign affairs because of a certain Wikia/Sannse attack, so here we go...

There has been much strife on the CPFW abotu homosexuality. Everyone knows I hate it, and everyone knows Sanchonachos will do anything to pander to a base that does not exist.

Whether or not you like it, we can all agree that matters of sex are corrupting to the innocence of our targeted audience and have no place in this wiki. My proposition is a humble solution. We simply forbid anyone from asking if someone is gay or straight. In turn, we forbid anyone from telling if they are gay or straight.
-because sexual orientation has no business on the wiki, and because sexual orientation is a highly mature and adult subject, it must not find any place of debate in the halls of the Club Penguin Fanon Wiki.

You don't have to be me to agree that an article about three lesbian penguins adopting a chick has no place on a kid's site. If we get homosexuality out of the Fanon wiki, we'd be a better world. It will protect the innocence of those yet to be exposed to such adult themes and will stop me and Sancho from clawing at each other's neck.


--{{subst:Template:TSSIGNATURE/PERMA-TS}} {{subst:template:TSSIGNATURE}} 01:00, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


Commentary

  • While we're at it, we should also ban people from identifying their religion. After all, it'll cause debates.--John (talk|blog|contribs) 17:46, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
    • That's quite a fallacy and fails to discuss the merit of the item at hand. Although it normally is an incontrovertible fact, there are some cases that what is good for the goose is not good for the gander. There is a strong difference between believing in God or gods, or the lack thereof, and sexual perversion. The former does cause debates, but I don't think we've ever had turmoil between me and an Atheist. That simply never serves as a problem. The latter corrupts the innocence of our youth- sex, sexuality, and sexual orientation are extremely mature and adult topics -and has no place on a website about Club Penguin, and frankly, anywhere in public at any time. -and before you mention anything in the Bible, recall the last time any of that was brought up on the CPFW. -and even so, it's more than just "causing debates" and flame wars. It's also about bringing an exceedingly personal, private, and intimate aspect of one's body and one's lust- the very nature of sexual attraction -into a website that's supposed to be free of all these things. We ban religion in character already; there are no Christian penguins or missionaries, there are no Bibles, there are no Atheists combatting them, and there are no organized faiths to gather them under. --{{subst:Template:TSSIGNATURE/PERMA-TS}} {{subst:template:TSSIGNATURE}} 22:33, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Good point, I agree, but I think that only the first half should be instated as CPFW law as the second bit infriges freedom of speech. --81.187.135.98 12:21, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
    • Both parts of this stupid "law" infringe freedom of speech. I'm sure our editors are mature enough not to be like TS and to embrace all backgrounds, religions and sexualities. "Don't ask, don't tell" just punches freedom in the face for the sake of homophobia. --Tigernose Talk • Contribs 17:20, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
      • Perversion is not a right, and a family friendly website should not be poisoned with references to sex or sexual themes of ANY kind. Do I parade around saying how straight I am? Do I confess that I am heterosexual? No! There is no right to corrupt the innocence of children just because you're upset that your lifestyle is unnatural. If all the gays would just live their lives instead of telling us how gay they are, we'd be better. Besides, a private corporation does not have to give "freedoms". Speaking on a WIKI is not like speaking in a COUNTRY. I've lectured you all on that a million times, but you and your spoiled rotten entitled mindset doesn't seem to grasp the idea of "earning" something. -and dissent isn't homophobia. I have very real, very deep and personal reasons for condemning such evil. --{{subst:Template:TSSIGNATURE/PERMA-TS}} {{subst:template:TSSIGNATURE}} 18:20, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Hypocrisy much? You love injecting real world governmental politics into the wiki for your own leverage. I don't want to turn this into a political argument, but it's obvious why homosexuals don't keep quiet - because they don't have the same freedoms as heterosexuals. --Tigernose Talk • Contribs 19:04, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Also, TurtleShroom, the meeting is starting. If you're not present we won't be discussing your items (we do this for everyone). --Tigernose Talk • Contribs 19:07, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

(10) Abolish Consensus [CPFW Only]

“ "The Chinese are more successful [in building infrastructure] because in their country, only three people make the decision. In our country, three thousand people do, three million. In a country where only three people make the decision, they can decide where to put their rail line, get the money, and do it. We don't do it that way in America." ”
 
— Ray LaHood, United States Secretary of Transportation



Consensus is the absence of leadership. It dilutes the voices of experts and prevents meaningful change and high-speed rollbacks to vandalism and controversy from takling form. It allows dissent and factionalization to wield unyielding wrath and tear a site from within, and it tries to enforce a model used for real world countries consisting of hundreds of millions on websites consisting of hundreds.

When a vote or policy comes up under Consensus, most edits STOP in the mainspace as the new Project page garners over twenty thousand bytes in a hour. Time that could be used formulating stories instead goes to arguing about a policy that should have just been decided and done immediately.

While the CPW may do as it will, it is wrong to force the CPFW to follow suit. The vote for Consensus was announced at an inoppurtune time and was stacked with Noobs and sleeper cell users that either 1) didn't know what they were voting for or 2) are out to get me. (Number two is an example of the very arrogant Penblooe.)

Swiss Ninja had an idea rolling into action when the molestation of it was enacted. It was an excellent plan, and I for one support deferring the decision to him, instead of myself or the one or two still looking to me without hate.



--{{subst:Template:TSSIGNATURE/PERMA-TS}} {{subst:template:TSSIGNATURE}} 01:00, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Commentary

  • Added the extra editor buttons to Fanon. --AdministratorNetwork staffError504 19:28, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

(11) Give CPFW their own council

Much of the agenda here contains CPFW issues, and I think they would be interested in their own council, despite the vote being turned down at the last council. Tigernose insisted that giving the CPFW their own council might cause a problem on the network with the global policy thing and the CPW not aware of any CPFW changes, but we have also decided to form a network council, which, if this goes through, can solve the problem.

I believe that the CPFW is a mature community that can make their own decisions alone. Thus, we can give them a local council to decide on local matters. And to fix the issue suggested by Tigernose, have their council summary of changes reviewed and approved by the network council. If network council does not approve, they can suggest amendments to some of the proposed changes and send it back down to the CPFW for further discussion (if it's really bad and might cause a network-wide issue, they can reject the whole idea). To make it fair, the network council cannot reject anything that involves local user rights or reject anything because "it was suggested by a certain user". It's their community and it's their decision. Our staffers know better and would play fair. How does this sound? --AdministratorNetwork staffError504 23:30, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Comments

(12) Wiki banners for websites

This is mainly an advertising method. For the bloggers who support us, they will have the option to advertise our wiki with banners. Now the option is, Tux believes we should have the source image in the HTML code to be the image from the wiki, while I think we should upload one copy to a Google Sites page and use that one instead. My reasoning is that in previous changes to hosting, the source URL to the image changes, which will affect the display and functionality of the banner. Downtimes will also affect the banner. Tux says he'll try and keep it as stable as possible in the future. Now it's up to you guys to decide. Both methods work.

I am also available to help the other wikis on the network with the banners if they wish. --AdministratorNetwork staffError504 07:35, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Comments

I am all for advertising. Gets my vote.--Click This For Riches!And That, My Friend, Is Checkmate. 09:19, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

(13) Party standards

If I can make it to this meeting i'd like to discuss the same topic from the last meeting(that I couldn't go to). It's basically a discussion on what are the standards to be an actual "party"? Decorations, amount of free items, famous penguins, or maybe even how long it is?

Comments

(14) Board of Partners Needed

Basically, the Partnership project needs volunteers. No, we won't inject adamantium into your skeletons, as cool as that would be. See Project:Partnership/Board of Partners for more info. We need scouts mostly, and maybe one or two negotiators. --HappyfaceNetwork staff (talk|blog|contribs) 23:14, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Comments

  • I'm appointing users only, but they can submit their willingness to help for me to consider. This partnership thing is gone ahead two-three days early because it's an emergency. --AdministratorNetwork staffError504 19:57, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

(15) Projects

What I mean by this is, to have something similar to WikiProjects on the CPW or PipeProjects on the SMW. These projects would focus on a specific topic area (eg. Club Penguin: Game Day!) or a specific kind of task (eg. checking newly made pages). WikiProjects These projects on the CPW should be called PenguinProjects or something to that sort. --Boidoh (talk) 21:56, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Comments

(16) New Favicon

I personally think that the current favicon doesnt resemble Club Penguin. It looks like a weird-ish red penguin. I think it would be better to put an actual Penguin from Club Penguin instead of the current one.--Boidohtalkedits 21:34, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Comments

(17) Userbars

Can we have the userbars like the ones in Fanon, where there is add as friend, add as foe? Yuri102212 Talk Edits 13:56, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Comments

  • I've been thinking about this, but instead of implementing it in the whole CPWN, I prefer that this feature will only be implemented at the Shops, realizing that the Shops is a game and with the social userpage thingy in the shops, it could make the shops a better place. --Welcome00 Talk 14:19, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
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