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This page is an archive of a previous meeting, not the current meeting!
All topics have already been discussed.

Agenda

Feel free to add topics here to discuss during the IRC meeting.

(1) Implement User:Tux/Global bot policy and User:Tux/Global rights policy

Please review these policies.

We need stronger global polices now, since we have close to 10 projects under our banner. --Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 07:04, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Comments

  • This is a serious global issue as well. EVERYONE needs to comment. Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 07:04, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
  • The bot must have edited across 3 or more wikis, and have bot flags at these wikis. - The UNCPW is inactive. Me and Iamred have no plans to revive it, neither does anyone else want to. Change it to 'bot flag on the CPW and CPFW'.--{{SUBST:AJsig}} 00:29, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
  • We should have shut-down buttons on the bots' userpages so admins and higher can block them if they cause trouble. {{SUBST:Starsiggy}} 04:02, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

(2) Global policy

Building on Tux's other topic, I wanted to add this topic to focus on the overall policy. The problem is that the Fanon and the CPW have a completely different set of rules. This is confusing for users who may want to edit on both wikis, as it means they make a break a rule they thought was non-existent on the other wiki. We are the same website, and decentralising policies to respective wikis is silly and unorganised.

Have a look at this page from the Fanon Wiki: http://fanon.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Fanon_Wiki:Governance It describes the wiki as an oligarchy, where all the users are in a set pyramid-class-system. This is exactly the oppposite of what we spent months fighting to abolish back in mid-2009. The wikis are not a government. We are not a direct-democracy either, as users with special rights also decide on things through consensus, however most policies are voted on by the community.

We need to implement a global policy modeled off the CPW's policy rules, but also a separate policy that will accordingly encompass the whole network. I think having a few variations for each wiki is alright, but the core rules should remain the same, in my opinion. --Tigernose Talk • Contribs 18:37, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Comments

  • I'll get to work on this, TN. If you could come up with a draft of core rules that can be used on the Fanon and give them to me, I'll be glad to present it to the Fanon. We will add other rules, since our content is different than your content.I will, however, fix the government/oligarchy thing once I return from my leave of absence.----Happyface414 (talk|blog|contribs) 05:41, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I worked with Zone months ago to implement his proposals on the lines of the CPW, but after he quit, that was it. Swiss made it this government thing, something which I oppose and on the Fanon I'll try to bring a vote on the issue.--{{SUBST:AJsig}} 02:15, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Tigernose, I know i'm not a Shops admin anymore but if you'd like maybe you could do the same thing you did for fanon(draft orf core rules) for shops, i'll show the wiki and they can add the other rules, etc. :) Cp kid Let's talk! 02:53, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Fanon is already writing their proposals, which is pretty much the same as CPW's. HF is fine with it, as is the majority of the community, although I haven't started official voting for endorsement of it.John (talk|blog|contribs) 00:03, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Tigernose, that is raw Sannse Wikia tyranny. You have no right to tell the CPFW how it is to be run. You murdered me and everything I ever did on the CPW. You have no right to do it again. I will fight in everything to stop your vicious power grab. It is hypocritical that you have the audacity to lord your rules over us. We left to avoid Staff centralization and global tyranny. Let the CPFW be and get lost. I BUILT THAT OLIGARCHY WITH MY OWN TWO HANDS. Don't export a revolution. I seriously thought you meant it when you made peace with me. Instead, you warped Andrew's idea of universal maintenance into a total ruleset takeover. You never cease to stab me in the back, Tigernose, and I can't believe I fell for your lies. You never respected me, and I should have known not to trust you, but I did, because I'm pure. --{{subst:Template:TSSIGNATURE/PERMA-TS}} {{subst:template:TSSIGNATURE}} 22:52, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

    • As a Staffer, Tigernose, you are not supposed to lord over each site. You're supposed to be a passive custodian, not a dictator that has a thorn in his side because he doesn't like how a site is run. SN's oligarchy was and is a genius, stable idea. We've seen growth and new users. Back off and go away. We don't want your change. Filthy commie. --{{subst:Template:TSSIGNATURE/PERMA-TS}} {{subst:template:TSSIGNATURE}} 22:54, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

    • Of course he can. He's a staff. Do you realize that staff can remove your admin rights and block you at any time? The Fanon is part of the network. If you don't like it, you can go back to Wikia.--PenBlooeR 16:42, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I want to say thanks to HappyFace and Agent Johnson for their great suggestions for how the CPFW policy variation should be done. The staff will discuss the proposal later on, and will of course take the advice of what policies are appropriate for the CPFW (and other wikis). Hopefully we can come up with a good policy set for the CPFW and we will have a vote on it over there! By the way, TurtleShroom, calling me a filthy commie isn't going to help your case. I'm not a dictator with a thorn in my side, I'm a staff member who wants consistency and standards across the whole network. --Tigernose Talk • Contribs 19:41, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
  • TS clearly doesn't represent the view of the majority of CPFW. I believe it may be appropriate for TS, if he is attending the Council, should be placed on watch if he attempts to do anything like waste time (filibustering) or tries to talk over me, you or anyone else who he's opposed to. A supermajority of 7-0 (Iceflower voted against but he's now neutral, SN is also neutral, TS will certainly vote against) supports the proposition currently on the table. This isn't a vote for the implementation of the current terms, just an indication that the Wiki is supportive on this. Therefore, we're almost ready for any compromise.--John (talk|blog|contribs) 15:31, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
  • You guys know the CPFW better than us, and the proposal seems pretty much ideal. As I said before, I'd personally keep the signature policy (too much line breaking over at the CPFW), but the suggested new policies and removed old ones seem good. --Tigernose Talk • Contribs 17:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Since this meeting will be related to the Fanon, I will try my best to come, however there's a high possibility I won't because of the time zone. {{SUBST:Starsiggy}} 01:34, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

(3) Get a new server/host

I'm seriously dreading this...

Now that we are larger, we should seriously, SERIOUSLY, get a new server/host. I'd already told Seahorse about this a few months ago. We need to implement this. --Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 07:04, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Comments

  • This is the most serious of the issues. I'd like EVERYBODY to comment here. Right now, it's running on my cable connection, which is completely unideal. What do you want for your new host? (We're NOT going back to "free" web hosting, so that you know. We want something cheap and as good as a VPS (preferably, a VPS, as we prefer Debian)). Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 07:03, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I'm not an expert on this. Are there any options on the table at this point?--{{SUBST:AJsig}} 01:25, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
  • When suggesting, keep this in mind:
    • Our current PHP configuration demands 134MB.
    • We have a datastore sitting at 11GB. Add 2 or so gigs for the system and the wiki install, and possibly 8GB for the wiki databases.
  • Based on that, I believe http://prgmr.com/xen/ and/or http://www.linode.com/ to be the cost-effective options. Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 01:40, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I recently aquired over one thousand dollars in money, and I have enough connections in the family to find a place to run a computer 24/7. Heck, my barber might even let it happen there in the salon. I could build a server and put the CPFW on it? It'd be hard, but I have enough hard drives in my basement to have hundreds of gigabytes, enough tools to put it in one case, and with USB sticks plugged in, hundreds more gigabytes. I can get it done local, but I'd need help to put it online. I can hook it up, turn it on, and build it, but when it comes to the actual Internet, that's Andrew. --{{subst:Template:TSSIGNATURE/PERMA-TS}} {{subst:template:TSSIGNATURE}} 23:03, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
    • I am considering a VPS or renting some in a colo somewhere. As for hardware, I'll most likely upgrade our current server to an Core 2 Duo motherboard with a corresponding processor and use that. Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 23:06, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
      • Well, I can get you the location. I'd have to have the machine sent to me, though, but I know people and I know one man with a PO Box, for privacy. I can get you a place where it could sit FOREVER. No rent. No charge. No worries. I know several off the top of my head with 24/7 connections and no downtime. I'd have to get the machine, though, and put it there. What do you think? --{{subst:Template:TSSIGNATURE/PERMA-TS}} {{subst:template:TSSIGNATURE}} 23:11, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Sent an email to Sea and CCed Tigernose to see how they would think about prgmr.com since they support paypal. Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 06:05, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

(4) "Read this article in another language"

Might be the next best thing for some users after the removal of Names in other languages is confirmed. Per Sea, NioL should only be on articles that have the article on the same topic on another language, but that would refer to the interwiki linking method. He also states that the links are ignored on the sidebar using the interwiki linking method. A discussion will open up for new ideas regarding this. --AdministratorNetwork staffError504 05:41, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Comments

  • The only actve CPW in another language is CPW-PT, and it's still far from having 6000 articles. The NiOL section also makes the pages look bigger by adding more content to them. It's an interesting thing for the readers, just like trivia sections. --PenBlooeR 20:34, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Just one final note on this topic before the council meeting - there should/will be no discussion on whether or not to keep this, as it's been voted down already. Final. The only thing we'll be talking about is whether or not we should have a more noticeable article linking system within the article context itself. --AdministratorNetwork staffError504 02:36, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

(5) Forum guidelines/policy

Just some basic guidelines for the forum to talk about after seeing this under General Wiki Discussion. --AdministratorNetwork staffError504 05:41, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

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(6) Define the "standards" for parties/events

What I mean is we need to discuss what makes a party a party! Such as on Valentine's Day Celebration 2006 and Pizza Parlor Opening Party, aswell as some others. Cp kid Let's talk! 00:31, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Comments

  • The celebration was called an "event" by billybob himself! So why is it on the party template? Also, the pizza parlor opening and things like that were CALLED parties, but what actually MAKES them parties? Free items, the "party" in the name, decorations? Cp kid Let's talk! 00:31, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

(7) Fanon and staff

Should we add a staff representative from the CPFW to our team?

This stems from a conversation in #clubpenguinfanon. Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 22:51, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Comments

  • If you can find someone moderate and dedicated enough then yes. My first choice would be HF, but I'm not sure about what he thinks about taking the position. --{{SUBST:AJsig}} 23:06, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
    • I would prefer being a "helper", as I don't have the time to learn HTML or CSS. Not sure if CPWN has the "helper" rank installed, though. ----Happyface414 (talk|blog|contribs) 23:53, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Oh, okay. Andrew said I should dabble in those, but I guess not. --Happyface414 (talk|blog|contribs) 22:49, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

(8) Regarding Rollbacks and Patrollers

While talking on the IRC, AJ and I noticed that the Patroller power made the rollback look really redundant. We'd like to bring up the proposal of maybe removing rollbacks entirely, and replacing them with a dumbed down patroller.

The new patroller would be the classic patroller, made by MediaWiki. It is pretty much an enhanced Recent Changes interface. In my own words, rollbacks on 'roids.

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Patroller

Happyface414 (talk|blog|contribs) 23:53, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Comments

(9) Formation of a network council

It will require a bit of a discussion on how it will work (i.e. number of reps), but I've noticed that there are some off-wiki or global discussion topics posted above, so I think it would be a good idea to form another council that covers all wikis, and not specifically the CPW. --AdministratorNetwork staffError504 20:33, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Comments

Personally I think that it would be easier to have a single council here, but to invite all users from the network. Basically, we should really have a link to the this council from the Fanon, and have Fanon users regularly use it. Problem is that a lot of topics tend to focus on us, which may be irrelevant to the Fanon user. Perhaps we can have two separate meetings on the same day or week, but have them organised through this page? --Tigernose Talk • Contribs 21:38, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

  • Fanon will probably have their own Council. I say stay with separate Councils but if a global proposal is made, then a separate global council meeting should be organised. I believe it would be more appropriate for joint planning to be taken between the Administrations of both sites to work a good time and date, with input from users of both Wikis on the right times.--John (talk|blog|contribs) 15:37, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I think we should have separate wiki council (Example: Shops have their own council and Fanon have their own as well). A network-wide council could also be a possibility, maybe to discuss network-wide issues. --Welcome00 Talk 08:05, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

(10) Abolish UNCPW

I think I stand for myself and many other users when I say this wiki should go in the dumpster. (Or at least to Tropicalwikis). Also, there are only 3 people who visit the wiki anymore. Unknown, Iamred, and Tux, who just posts his many desktops. Also, the graphics and templates are horrible, there are lots of red links, swears and inappropriate content line the articles, Racism is everywhere, and the articles are outdated. Also, it insults other wikis in the network, and it's barely advertised. (I'm not saying we should advertise it. Oh no.) Also, it just doesn't conform to something that should be in the CPWN. --Broseph16 No guts, No glory! 22:17, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Comments

  • Also, it could help us decrease the server size, making it more efficient. --Broseph16 No guts, No glory! 22:17, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I used to be a fan of the UNCPW, as I did find it quite funny. But you are right. It is inactive. Even if it it was active, it has got nothing to do with the Club Penguin Wiki. Most of the jokes are irrelevant to the CPW, and it isn't right to affiliate ourselves with a mature wiki when our network revolves around a kids game. Even if it does manage to become active again, it has no place in the CPWN - which should aim towards the game's target audience. --Tigernose Talk • Contribs 22:34, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I think that, if the vote passes, we should just move it off the CPWN and onto TropicalWikis, just like the other inactive language wikis. --AdministratorNetwork staffError504 22:51, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Another thing, TN, the wiki makes fun of some of the network's most respected users. (Tux and Sea) Also, it shows swears on the mainpage. That scares me off, and what's the point of having a wiki that'll scare users away from the network? --Broseph16 No guts, No glory! 23:02, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
  • "Decrease the server size" is not a phrase I'm not exactly fond of. As for making fun and swears, those are allowed on purpose. I'll admit that even I have insulted myself there. Yes, it's inactive, but it has a fair amount of good content and thus shouldn't go, all it requires is some love. Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 00:16, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Wait! I know I've quit UNCPW but me and UnknownFork had been discussing reviving... with it being more on the lines of Uncyclopedia (aka no more stupidity, actually funny articles). Swearing and the like will only have seldom use, when it actually makes a page funny, rather than for every sentence. Some content will still be inappropriate. When we make fun of users, we only do it as parodies; for instance, there is a parody page on me but I don't get enraged. I respect your concerns but if me and Unknown take it seriously, then the UNCPW still has a chance.--{{SUBST:AJsig}} 15:19, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Get rid of it. It's a pointless wiki. -- 19:26, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Look, if me and Unknown don't fix it up, feel free to delete it. But give it a chance first.--John (talk|blog|contribs) 22:52, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
  • As a note, I'm going to break the tradition of moving it to TropicalWikis and let you decide if you want it permanently removed or moved to another wikihost (including TropicalWikis). Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 23:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
  • YEEEEES. There was this one guy who vandalized my pages on the CP Army Wiki, and when I blocked him he made a page about me in the UCPW and it had a LOT of curse words in it. {{SUBST:Starsiggy}} 03:55, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Move it to the dumpster (or TropicalWikis). The jokes there are getting much worser, and also, there had been insults of a certain user. This could also help decrease the server size, making it more efficient and not to crash (again..). --Welcome00 Talk 08:05, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

(11) Partnership Program Implemented into the CPW

I created a partnership program yesterday for the CPFW. We currently have one YouTuber partnered with us, and that is JaysnakeTV. He has around 600 subscribers, and will start advertising the Fanon in his next couple videos.

I wanted to know if the CPW wanted some of the loving. If you do, I would like some of the CPW's users to participate in the Board of Partners, a group of people who research, negotiate, and vote on whether or not the CP "celebrity" would become a partner. --Happyface414 (talk|blog|contribs) 04:11, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Links:

Comments

  • Partnership Program would be helpful, as it will increase the number of new users to come on one of the wikis in the network. I think the partnership program should be implemented network-wide, to attract more users on wikis other than Fanon, such as the Shops and this wiki. --Welcome00 Talk 08:08, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

(13) Adding an image pool

I think we should add an image pool to the CPW(N) wikis. The advantages include:

  • De-duplication and saving space. This also has a greater benefit as all wikis can benefit from, e.g., larger images.
  • More consistency among the wikis.

Disadvantages:

  • Another wiki would be involved in the process.
  • There might be some confusion around names.

New policy will need to be defined, which can be discussed at the meeting. Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 18:38, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Comments

(14) Club Penguin Army Wiki

When will we put the Army Wiki onto the new wiki CPWN? {{SUBST:Starsiggy}} 04:06, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Comments

Good idea, Star. We should add the CPAW onto the network, it could be a great wiki. Plus we should add some new wikis onto this network. --User:Feey1!! 05:39, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

The problem is that we don't want to add inactive wikis. Otherwise, we can allocate a namespace in another wiki, e.g. the TW-moved Fandom. I think Fandom would the best pick because when I checked out some random pages it looks like a fan-made creation and thus belongs there. Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 06:06, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
I think CPAW would be better integrated into Club Penguin Fandom.--John (talk|blog|contribs) 00:49, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
But CPAW isn't fiction, it's really in Club Penguin. {{SUBST:Starsiggy}} 02:20, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
The Club Penguin Fandom Wiki is about things which weren't officially in the game but are still RL. Things such as blogs, bloggers, non-official famous people (Microchip for example, not Rockhopper). It could also cover armies.--John (talk|blog|contribs) 06:22, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

(15) AWC Forum for Club Penguin Fanon Wiki and/or User Blog namespace

Something which I've noticed is that user blogs are regarded as main space articles on the CPFW, thus representing a number of 'main space articles', which I estimate could be anything up to a fifth of the current amount. What I propose is a Forum for the CPFW on the lines of Club Penguin Wiki or for an official user blog namespace.--John (talk|blog|contribs) 06:25, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

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