Club Penguin Wiki:Council/Archive February 1 2014

Agenda

Feel free to add topics here to discuss during the next IRC meeting.

(1) PT Links on the sidebar

On both our wiki and CPW-PT, the "In Other Languages" links are at the bottom of the sidebar (on pages that have the other languages' article link), and on item articles the bottom is usually longer than the page itself :/ So, I propose that we prioritize the links to PT's articles (and vice-versa) by moving that section higher on the sidebar on this wiki and PT too if they agree (I was thinking above the ads section). The only downside to this would be the image "headers" on the sidebar would be out of order, but that's probably an easy fix.

An example of what i'm talking about is on the Polka-Dot Bandanna page, just scroll down to the bottom of the sidebar. Cp kid Wanna Talk? 01:10, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Comments

• Anything in English is higher priority than other languages. That's everything else. Most visitors have a good understanding of basic English and if not their Google search of our wiki would've turned up differently (try searching up Club Penguin Wiki on google.com.br). Not saying that we shouldn't promote our other wikis but sidebar organization is just as important. An alternate solution would be to embed the links in the Other Languages sections themselves. --LordMaster96 02:53, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

(2) Network Navigation Bar

I'm thinking of replacing our links to other wikis on the bottom of the mainpage with a single horizontal bar at the top of every page across the entire network. This will require tech work but I think it's better than what we have now. If you don't know what I'm exactly talking about, it's pretty much the bar at the top of the Minecraft Wiki except we just list out our wikis. --LordMaster96 03:00, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Comments

• This is possible but I feel that it would not look appealing. The bar is a Wikia-style tactic. Instead, I propose a system like most other civilized wikifarms and wiki networks/alliances use: A box next to "Powered By MediaWiki" box that says "Part of the Club Penguin Wiki Network". Wikimedia does it, ShoutWiki does it, etc.. The box would link to a page that describes the network and lists all of our wikis. It could also link to a CPWN Central wiki or static site if we ever decide to revive it. --Seahorseruler ^{(Talk Page) (Contribs)} 21:59, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
• Yes. --Penstubal ^{(Talk) (Edits)} 21:54, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

(3) Going Foreground

Brickimedia's skin is gone, so I'd like to implement a modified version of the Foreground skin as the universal CPWN "look and feel". This would help improve browsing the site on mobile devices as well. This would also accomplish (3) above.

Major wiki design changes around the board are needed anyway, so this is a great time to slip this in. --Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 15:15, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Comments

• This change would also make looking at Shops 1,000% less terrible. --Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 15:18, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
• Ew, no. I do not like the look of this at all. Would it be a forced change or would we still be able to change the skin under preferences? --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 23:29, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
• No, I mean - implement as skin - yeah, why not? But default skin - no. It doesn't look like a wiki, it looks like a random website. -- Yup! Still am! :D Snowstormer ^{But this time, I'm tellin' ya, I'm tellin' ya!} 18:18, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
  • I agree with Snow. It looks more like a random website. It doesn't even look anything like a wiki. I feel like this is almost a clone of Wikia's skin. --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 22:43, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

(4) Move inactive wikis back to the network

Since TropicalWikis is merging with Orain sometime soon and we probably won't have access to our old wikis there, I think it might be in our best interest to move some of the inactive CPWN wikis back, such as Un-CP, CPW-FR and maybe the Fandom Wiki as well (and any others that I might've missed). I think that even if these wikis aren't revived, they should still be here for historical purposes.

As for Un-CP, some people actually want to try and revive it as a family-friendly kind of place, to get rid of the profane, mature content that served as one of the reasons for it's removal from the Network. So please have separate votes for Un-CP and the other wikis.

Please note, that if Tux will still have access to move these wikis back and forth even after TW's merge is done, then all of this can be ignored except Un-CP.

Cp kid Wanna Talk? 20:34, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Comments

• yes --Best Wishes, Penstubal Smoking is not allowed. 20:32, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

(5) Create a sub-wiki for CP Music

Just because of competition and due to the fact a mini music wiki would not be quite sustainable, we could probably make a sub-wiki for Club Penguin Music. The idea would be similar to that of CP Ideas and would be advertised on the wiki in a similar fashion. We will take the music from CP Archives Wiki and link to them here. I'm sure there are players out there who have interest in the in-game music. --LordMaster96 06:16, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Comments

• Sounds like copied from wikia lolol. Anyway, good idea :) --Dps04^{talk | Mall} 15:22, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikia has copied countless things from us relentlessly, from the Council itself, to Interface Editors, to Logo Submissions, to "Names in Other Languages", and countless other things without giving us any credit at all. If we are accused of "copying" wikia, they should look in the mirror. --Seahorseruler ^{(Talk Page) (Contribs)} 21:59, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Well, you are right. However, the idea of a council is not exclusive to CP Wiki. Many other wikis have councils, not to mention wikia's council has a very different format compared to that of CPWN. Similarly, many other wikis also hold logo submission contests. However, I do apologize on behalf of wikia if the CPWN community construe what we did as an act of plagarism. And I never knew wikia has a "Names in Other Languages" project lol. P.S. I was joking about the copying part :P No one can accuse CPWN of "copying wikia". --Dps04^{talk | Mall} 04:19, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

• Yes. We should also make a "RocketSnail Games Wiki", and "Mech Mice Wiki". -- Penstubal Forever Serbian! 19:29, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
  • They're not quite related to CP - a little bit yes but not significantly. It's not our best interest to host these wikis on a Club Penguin Wiki Network. --LordMaster96 04:46, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

• Well, not all of our wikis have to directly revolve around CP. I think a RocketSnail wiki would give us a new type of diversity while still being involved with CP (from 2000-2005 at least, if not longer, Rocketsnail was the heart of the CP universe). CK Merry Christmas 06:15, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

(6) Signature Policy Revision

We're seeing a small spike in the use of templates and I don't want to see this privilege being abused in the future so my proposal to an update to the policy will be:

• All new signature templates must be approved by an administrator, just so we know why you need to use it.
  • Admins may, at any time and without reason, delete your signature template.
• All signatures may not be longer than 60 characters in length (the actual text of the signature - not including styling). This is to prevent abuse of the 255 character limit in the preferences. The only reason a template should be used in the first place is if styling is an issue, not because you have long sentences in your signature.
• Templates are limited to one per user. There is no reason why you need four or five of them when only one can be used at a time.

--LordMaster96 00:35, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Comments

• I agree with you! --Gatuti789 00:49, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
• Yes! --Tigernose Talk • Contribs 16:39, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
• Sounds good. I also propose also including a new rule: If a user refuses to change their signature, the Admins can ask Staff to use EditUser to change the user's signature so that it complies. If the signature is filled with several violations and is beyond repair, Staff may just reset the signature to default and the user will have to create a new one from scarcth that complies. --Seahorseruler ^{(Talk Page) (Contribs)} 21:33, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

(7) Chinese Shops Wiki

Ladies and Gentlemen, I felt that it's necessary to add a Chinese Shops Wiki to our Network. That is because Mandarin Chinese is the most widely-spoken language in the world. Now, I know that there are few Chinese who actually play Club Penguin AND even fewer who visit our Network. But then, it's cuz most of them don't know how to speak English. In order to attract new users, I feel that it's necessary.

--File:Benny.jpegSlenderman Talk File:Darktan.jpeg My mall 02:47, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Comments

• This seems useless, since, as you said there aren't that many CP players that speak Chinese. Plus, it would only have 3 users. Since the three of you know how to speak English as well, I'd think it would be better and easier just to do that. CK Merry Christmas 06:15, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
• No. --LordMaster96 10:04, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
• I dont think a chinese version of shops would be necessary. On the other hand, shops can learn from fanon to create a language selection panel on the main page. --Dps04^{talk | Mall} 15:01, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
• There's not even a Chinese Club Penguin... you said not many Chinese people play Club Penguin so why would we "need this to attract new users"? --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 20:27, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
• No. Unneeded. -- Penstubal Happy Holidays! 20:35, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
• No. Mario Rk ^{(T · C · B)} 18:42, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

(8) Portuguese Wikis

Since there is no CPWN hub to bring this up on, I'll bring it up here. Here are some wiki proposals for the network, both Portuguese actually. Also, I'm suggesting these because I think that the CPW-PT community (over 50 "active users") will support them, so they won't die out hopefully. Please note i'm not taking credit for the ideas of these wikis, i'm just placing them on the council.

• Fanon PT: Back in July, we voted to approve the PT wiki to the network, and as far as I know they approved moving since most editors were from CPW-PT or the network anyways. However, it was never moved. Now, it doesn't even exist due to TropicalWikis' merge with Orain (a move which hasn't been completed yet since TW staff hasn't given Orain whatever data they needed). So, I'd like to set up another discussion/vote to push our staff into getting this wiki on the network after 5 months.
• Shops PT: Originally suggested by our own Gatuti789 on CPW-PT, a poll was set up here to see who wanted a Shops wiki in portuguese. It received a tremendous positive response. Since then, this page was set up to officially see who would participate in a new Shops PT if it were to open. Only 5 people have said they would so far, but I think the page has only been open for half a week or so, so we'll have to wait a bit longer to see more accurate results.

I think both of these wikis would be active, and well supported by the PT community, who up to until this point has only had a CPW on the network to enjoy. Not only will it give the users in Portuguese more editing options and more fun, but it will also give our network more diversity. CK Merry Christmas 06:15, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Comments

• Good idea, let's start a Spanish, German, Korean and Japanese variant too. --File:Benny.jpegSlenderman Talk File:Darktan.jpeg My mall 08:33, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
  • You've got to be kidding me about Korean and Japanese. It's ultimately up to the staffers to decide on what wikis get created, not really the Club Penguin Wiki, and being a past staffer myself I doubt any of them would have interest in non-official CP languages. Besides, a French and Spanish wiki wasn't viable anyways. --LordMaster96 10:04, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
    • I know, I am just saying. --File:Benny.jpegSlenderman Talk File:Darktan.jpeg My mall 10:26, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
• I used to be one of the persons that was most active around the PT-Fanon Wikis, although, ever since the supposed "merge" the Portuguese Fanon Wiki seems no longer to exist and I don't even known if the files for it are still available for the network and ever since the propose to bring it to the Wiki Network popped up I have been waiting for it to actually be moved here. It was a project I would like to put my care and dedication again and even if the portuguese community seems to start to lack members (I mean the whole portuguese community, not the wiki on) I still see potential in it, as even most portuguese youtubers (there are a lot) were always putting their charathers and series and putting them inside the fanon universe. --Aamelo/Jorge C. (UserPage \ Talk) 01:43, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

(9) The future of the council

When we implemented the council in 2011, it was taken straight off the Ratchet and Clank wiki and integrated into our wiki. It was meant for full user participation. For a year or so, it went fine but since last year it has been a failure. We aren't getting enough users online to take part in these discussions and we don't really fill up our agenda often enough to call a meeting every month or so. This has been acting on our wiki like an inhibitor and we're not really getting much out of this project.

Therefore, I would like to propose that council meetings be modified into a monthly, scheduled meeting between administrators, on the first Saturday of each month. Users will still be able to submit their topics and post comments onto the agenda page. The only difference is that only the admins will look at them before the community will. Admins will look at these topics and decide whether to dismiss the topic, pass the motion or vote it down. If it passes, and if it's something the admins feel the community should vote on, a voting page will open up for the topic.

Why not just let everyone vote? Our administration is mature and experience enough to efficiently deal with 99.9% of what the community needs. If a topic doesn't pass within the administration, chances are it would have gone down in a normal council meeting anyways or it would have been vetoed by the bureaucrats. Doing this would save the wiki a lot of time and we could potentially get more done in terms of progress.

Admin meetings could also be used to discuss minor things such as articles or cleaning up the rollback right group. If motion 11.10 (see below) passes, it will also be discussed at these meetings. --LordMaster96 01:58, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Comments

• YES! Topics that would be great for the wiki's future and are seen by several users as necessity, just sit for months with no action. This way we don't have to wait months for something major to get started. -- Chill57181 Talk Contribs 03:09, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
• I hate to copy wikia, but I think that it'd be more beneficial to set a "vote page"like wikia has, for minor votes. That way we don't have new separate project pages every month. CK 03:30, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

• However, they have copied/stolen a LOT of our ideas in the past as well (interfaceditor right, item page gallery poses (player card/in game images), logo submissions, Names in other languages?, etc.), so I guess it'd be payback lol. CK 03:37, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

• We could, but then we'll need a monthly archive or something. I wouldn't look at it as retaliation either. A vote page is not that unique of an idea. BTW I still think Names in Other Languages is a waste of time and effort. --LordMaster96 08:50, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

(10) Official Events Guidelines - Policy

Some of you guys may have seen the draft of mine on my blog but here's a finalized version of what I'm proposing:

• Users planning to host an official event must submit their event and its details onto a requests page at least one month prior to the scheduled start.
• Users may request one official event per month.
• Administrators will vote on which event(s) would be made official events for the next month. Rejected applications can be resubmitted for the following month. Administrators reserve the right to select no events.
• Every official event will have at least two event planners. The user who requested the official event will automatically be one of them. All other event planners will be appointed by the administration.
• An official event page must be made for every official event. The page must be written according to Manual of Style guidelines.
• The official chat for official events is #clubpenguinwiki. IRC rules apply.
• Once a start time has been set, it may not be changed in the last 48 hours before the scheduled start. It a postponing of the event is required, it may only be done so if no suitable replacement can be found.
• Events must be hosted in a professional manner. Failure to do so makes us look bad as it is an event that is supposed to reflect the wiki and the admins may refuse to allow you to host any further events.
• Events may not start ahead of schedule.
• Event reminders may be sent out no more than once unless requested by the user.

--LordMaster96 01:58, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

(11) CPWN Logos

Recently, a user has uploaded all of the logos of the CPWN Wikis and featured them on the main page of their Wikia wiki (the user and which wiki it is will currently not be named). They are pretending their wiki is part of CPWN. They have included their wiki in a list of CPWN wikis on their main page that includes our logos. All image files are not released under CC-BY-NC-SA and are instead licensed according to the copyright information on the page, since many of our images are owned by Club Penguin. I would like to have a discussion about how to deal with the copyright of our logos. I believe they should be "all rights reserved" and fully owned by the CPWN (except the graphics owned by CP) so that they can not be stolen and used elsewhere. In order to be used outside of CPWN, we should require written permission. For now I have posted copyright warnings on each logo of each wiki. --Seahorseruler ^{(Talk Page) (Contribs)} 22:17, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Comments

• We should tell them to take down the logos. If they refuse, they either get sued, banned from cpwn forever or both. --Penstubal ^{(Talk) (Edits)} 22:29, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

(12) CPW User Majority

Recently our council meetings have been full of users from other wikis (mostly shops). I'm not saying they can't participate, but since this is a Club Penguin Wiki council that decides how the Club Penguin Wiki runs, why are users who don't edit the CPW making those decisions? We should require that at least half of the users in attendenace edit the Club Penguin Wiki as their home/main wiki to make it fair. --Seahorseruler ^{(Talk Page) (Contribs)} 19:36, 1 February 2014 (UTC)